When Muslims told the Pope to play Aoun with March 14's Hizbullah..
It has been a while since my last post. Partly because I was busy (yes, I do have another job than this blog), but primarily because it seems that the events are just repetitions of past events.
Let me elaborate on that.
so what has happened since my last post:
- Muslims, outraged by the pope's comments he made in Germany, took it to the streets in many countries, with many demonstrations including violence.
Oh, you mean the same thing that happened with the prophet's caricatures ? or the riots of the shiites (HA shiites) in Lebanon after the lebanese satirical show "Basmat watan" ?
- So what else... Ah yes, Hizbullah (HA) celebrated their "devine victory" over the "zionist entity".
Again, they were chanting their victory since before the war ended.
- Aoun attacked the government, said he will wear Sanioura until he is gone. he also said that Lebanon will not be built in embassies..... for the zillionth time.....
- March 14 coalition responded to Nasrallah's speech during his "devine victory" rally.
You have to give it to them, the march 14 and HA, they are really, truly, international ping-pong champions..
HA: "blabla"
M14: "blabla....bla"
HA: "oh yeah ?? blablabaaaabla"
M14: "bu !"
... ok, you got the idea....
Since I am so far along in my post, why not give my point of view to those interested ?
- About the pope's comments, and the reactions that followed:
Am I really the only one, or did the muslims who got upset TOTALLY miss the point ??
I read many (many) comments about that on the net and the blogosphere.
The most amazing fact is that no more than 10% (tops) read the WHOLE pope's speech..
[proud mode ON] I did ! [proud mode OFF]
And here is the link to it:
Pope's Speech
I also had also the opportunity to discuss it with some contacts from the blogosphere (in private), mainly with "Nobody" from the happyarabnews blog.
The muslims were offended by a quote of a Byzantine emperor the pope made.
And to show their non-violent philosophy, the islamic extremists thought wise to burn some flags, break some windows and some stores, and ... "courageously" murder a 70-year-old nun in Somalia. Yep, seventy-year-old.
The nun used to work in a children's hospital. I said "courageous" because she was shot 3 times in the back.
Why ? silly question, it's obvious.. because the pope quoted an emperor about islam.
Now for those of you who bothered to read the pope's lecture in its entirety, they would have probably noticed that the quote should have been the least of the muslims' worries.........
Got your attention didn't I ?
So now let me prove it to you. Here's a direct quote from the pope's lecture:
"[..]The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazm went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practise idolatry."
I encourage you to read all the lecture. I cannot afford to quote more here, orelse the size of my post would explode.
The thing is, that the pope talked about the very nature and foundation of god in islam, and compared it to god's image in christianity.
To say it in 2 words, in christianity, god is not a stranger to reason and logic, he always keeps his promise, and people are made on his image.
In Islam, god is not bound to any logic nor word, he is above that, and the people do not ressemble him in any way. (very short description, please read the whole lecture for more and clearer details).
If I were muslim, I would worry more about that than the insignificant quote..
Amazing how noone commented on that fact....
Why didn't we see muslim delegations, muslim thinkers, going on public saying they want to discuss this with the pope ? I am sure he would have gladly accepted.
Instead, they left the islamic extremists take it violently to the streets to show they are not violent...
By the way, Theodore KHOURY, whose works were the basis of the pope's lecture, for those who are still, is LEBANESE. check him out here.
- About HA's "devine victory":
First, let me apologize to Mister Hassan, on behalf of a 1000 lebanese.
They apologize for not being able to attend your rally, because they are 10 feet under the ground.
But it's cool, they say they are not angry or anything, chill, because they died for the just cause, they died so that the "true promise" could come true..
Oh wait... rewind..... play... the true promise ? isn't that about retrieving prisoners, and the land still occupied ?
hmm.... he prisoners are very much still in the israeli prisons (not to mention Syrian prisons), shebaa farms are still occupied...
What divine victory is that ? aaah yes, I almost forgot... HA was driven away from the south, and the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) are now at the borders...
Uh... what victory is that again ??
To all the cheerful people cheering about the HA's victory, take 30 seconds and think about the following.. no really, t a k e 30 seconds, and think about the following:
Imagine yourselves 15/20 years from now, reading a history book. What would the book say about the last war in Lebanon ?
In my opinion, it would read something along these lines:
"In July 2006 [..]etc etc.. the outcome of the war was the following: Destruction of many southern Lebanese villages, more than a thousand civilian victims (israeli and lebanese). HA failed to achieve its aim, as in bringing back the prisoners and liberating the Shebaa farms.
Moreover, HA received a great blow, in that it was driven away from the border with Israel, a priviledge which was so far given solely to the party, and, the major blow that HA sustained was probably the public outburst against it. HA lost a great deal of popularity in this war, a popularity the party had amassed in 2000.
The lebanese economy suffered for many years after the war, and the impact is still sensible nowadays. That resulted in many problems, mainly the social security system. Many lebanese are known to have been refused access to hospitals because hospitals were refusing patients who were on the social security role.
Israel, however, failed also at its main goal, which was to disarm HA, but gained the deployment of the LAF at its northern borders, a quest it was seeking since 2000. The reconstruction of the few northern cities hit by HA rockets posed no problem whatsoever to the strong Israeli economy".
Please stop chanting about the "devine victory", it is INSULTING to the lebanese people and to the lebanese victims fallen during the war.
- As to Aoun...
uh...... hahahahahahahahahahaha.....
(Read my previous posts about the man)
- As to march 14...
Are you planing on doing something or are you just planing to go on playing ping pong with HA ?
No excuses, march 14 is in power right now, they have to act..
Okay, I guess that'll have to do it for now.
I have to admit that the lebanese politics is starting to annoy me.. Nothing new, nothing interesting...
I'm thinking about converting this blog into a more interesting topic (that will be easy to find), like "carpets on planet Mars". What do you think ? Could be more interesting, no ?
Jean
--
Veritas Vos Liberabit, Veritas Lux Mea..
Let me elaborate on that.
so what has happened since my last post:
- Muslims, outraged by the pope's comments he made in Germany, took it to the streets in many countries, with many demonstrations including violence.
Oh, you mean the same thing that happened with the prophet's caricatures ? or the riots of the shiites (HA shiites) in Lebanon after the lebanese satirical show "Basmat watan" ?
- So what else... Ah yes, Hizbullah (HA) celebrated their "devine victory" over the "zionist entity".
Again, they were chanting their victory since before the war ended.
- Aoun attacked the government, said he will wear Sanioura until he is gone. he also said that Lebanon will not be built in embassies..... for the zillionth time.....
- March 14 coalition responded to Nasrallah's speech during his "devine victory" rally.
You have to give it to them, the march 14 and HA, they are really, truly, international ping-pong champions..
HA: "blabla"
M14: "blabla....bla"
HA: "oh yeah ?? blablabaaaabla"
M14: "bu !"
... ok, you got the idea....
Since I am so far along in my post, why not give my point of view to those interested ?
- About the pope's comments, and the reactions that followed:
Am I really the only one, or did the muslims who got upset TOTALLY miss the point ??
I read many (many) comments about that on the net and the blogosphere.
The most amazing fact is that no more than 10% (tops) read the WHOLE pope's speech..
[proud mode ON] I did ! [proud mode OFF]
And here is the link to it:
Pope's Speech
I also had also the opportunity to discuss it with some contacts from the blogosphere (in private), mainly with "Nobody" from the happyarabnews blog.
The muslims were offended by a quote of a Byzantine emperor the pope made.
And to show their non-violent philosophy, the islamic extremists thought wise to burn some flags, break some windows and some stores, and ... "courageously" murder a 70-year-old nun in Somalia. Yep, seventy-year-old.
The nun used to work in a children's hospital. I said "courageous" because she was shot 3 times in the back.
Why ? silly question, it's obvious.. because the pope quoted an emperor about islam.
Now for those of you who bothered to read the pope's lecture in its entirety, they would have probably noticed that the quote should have been the least of the muslims' worries.........
Got your attention didn't I ?
So now let me prove it to you. Here's a direct quote from the pope's lecture:
"[..]The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazm went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practise idolatry."
I encourage you to read all the lecture. I cannot afford to quote more here, orelse the size of my post would explode.
The thing is, that the pope talked about the very nature and foundation of god in islam, and compared it to god's image in christianity.
To say it in 2 words, in christianity, god is not a stranger to reason and logic, he always keeps his promise, and people are made on his image.
In Islam, god is not bound to any logic nor word, he is above that, and the people do not ressemble him in any way. (very short description, please read the whole lecture for more and clearer details).
If I were muslim, I would worry more about that than the insignificant quote..
Amazing how noone commented on that fact....
Why didn't we see muslim delegations, muslim thinkers, going on public saying they want to discuss this with the pope ? I am sure he would have gladly accepted.
Instead, they left the islamic extremists take it violently to the streets to show they are not violent...
By the way, Theodore KHOURY, whose works were the basis of the pope's lecture, for those who are still, is LEBANESE. check him out here.
- About HA's "devine victory":
First, let me apologize to Mister Hassan, on behalf of a 1000 lebanese.
They apologize for not being able to attend your rally, because they are 10 feet under the ground.
But it's cool, they say they are not angry or anything, chill, because they died for the just cause, they died so that the "true promise" could come true..
Oh wait... rewind..... play... the true promise ? isn't that about retrieving prisoners, and the land still occupied ?
hmm.... he prisoners are very much still in the israeli prisons (not to mention Syrian prisons), shebaa farms are still occupied...
What divine victory is that ? aaah yes, I almost forgot... HA was driven away from the south, and the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) are now at the borders...
Uh... what victory is that again ??
To all the cheerful people cheering about the HA's victory, take 30 seconds and think about the following.. no really, t a k e 30 seconds, and think about the following:
Imagine yourselves 15/20 years from now, reading a history book. What would the book say about the last war in Lebanon ?
In my opinion, it would read something along these lines:
"In July 2006 [..]etc etc.. the outcome of the war was the following: Destruction of many southern Lebanese villages, more than a thousand civilian victims (israeli and lebanese). HA failed to achieve its aim, as in bringing back the prisoners and liberating the Shebaa farms.
Moreover, HA received a great blow, in that it was driven away from the border with Israel, a priviledge which was so far given solely to the party, and, the major blow that HA sustained was probably the public outburst against it. HA lost a great deal of popularity in this war, a popularity the party had amassed in 2000.
The lebanese economy suffered for many years after the war, and the impact is still sensible nowadays. That resulted in many problems, mainly the social security system. Many lebanese are known to have been refused access to hospitals because hospitals were refusing patients who were on the social security role.
Israel, however, failed also at its main goal, which was to disarm HA, but gained the deployment of the LAF at its northern borders, a quest it was seeking since 2000. The reconstruction of the few northern cities hit by HA rockets posed no problem whatsoever to the strong Israeli economy".
Please stop chanting about the "devine victory", it is INSULTING to the lebanese people and to the lebanese victims fallen during the war.
- As to Aoun...
uh...... hahahahahahahahahahaha.....
(Read my previous posts about the man)
- As to march 14...
Are you planing on doing something or are you just planing to go on playing ping pong with HA ?
No excuses, march 14 is in power right now, they have to act..
Okay, I guess that'll have to do it for now.
I have to admit that the lebanese politics is starting to annoy me.. Nothing new, nothing interesting...
I'm thinking about converting this blog into a more interesting topic (that will be easy to find), like "carpets on planet Mars". What do you think ? Could be more interesting, no ?
Jean
--
Veritas Vos Liberabit, Veritas Lux Mea..
posted by Jean at 2:42 PM
4 Comments:
Well, I am surprised Lebanese politics just started to annoy you. And I 100% agree on the whole repetitive issue. There is nothing new about the Lebanese news. It's just a bunch of kids.
I liked your post about Aoun :P
Nicely said.
See how selective people are, they really chose what they want from the Pope's speech in order to claim revenge!!
I fully agree that Lebanese Politics sucks!
oh by the way Jean, AM just told me that you're gonna meet us in Paris.
So see you there!
Interesting analysis of the results of the war.I fully agree, of course. I am not even sure what the aims of Israel in this were. From the Israeli perspective, we've been dragged into this, and would not have initiated anything on our own accord. The objectives of the war were pretty much defined by what HA did and so were to get back the kidnapped soldiers (terrible objective to set, IMO, as anyone can see it's unachievable), and stopping and later preventing the HA from shooting rockets at us. Was that achieved? so far so good, but it's one thing that time will tell about. I think HA will be more limited now, politically speaking, in its ability to launch another campaign against Israel in the near future.
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