Free Topic. General ideas and thoughts about this war.
this thread is for everyone to express their thoughts, in a democratic and free environment.
All parties are welcome.
All parties are welcome.
posted by Jean at 2:17 AM
Saturday, July 22, 2006
Previous Posts
8 Comments:
I agree, there is never a vacuum. Looking back, maybe a unilateral withdrawal was a mistake in that sense. Maybe we should have stayed in South Lebanon until the Lebanese government would have taken over. Then again, would that have ever even happened?
well, in my point of view, the withdrawal in itself was a good thing.
But don't forget that in 2000, lebnon was still "occupied" (and yes, I am using the right word) by the syrian army).
Moreover, the lebanese political decision was in the hands of damascus (Syria).
The army would have never been sent to the south.
The lebanese internal scene saw a big opposition to the decision of the government not to send the army, but we could do nothing. the decision didn't belong to us.
Furthermore, I heard that the people who used to work with the israeli occupation, or collaborated with it, were very badly handled by hizbullah, instead of tried before the lebanese justice.
The British Foreign Office minister Kim Howells said:
"If they are chasing Hizbollah, then go for Hizbollah. You don't go for the entire Lebanese nation."
source of the news : sky news
also you might want to watch this vide.
@ejh,
this is an ... excellent question !!!
Thank you for asking it, maybe many will try to answer.
I for myself will try to do so.
First, for sure, there are many lebanese that oppose HA, and its actions. I know, I am part of them.
Now, why they don't demonstrate is another problem..
first, we must not forget that it's not long ago that more than 1.5 million lebanese took it to the streets to protest the syrian presence in lebanon. In that, and as HA is a pro-syrian group, implicitely, they were always protesting against HA's actions.
so anyway, now we have won the withdrawal of the syrian army. we ended a 30 year occupation !
So I guess it was just too soon to throw ourselves in another internal battle again.
Having said that, before israel attacked, lebanese leaders were having what was called "national dialog" meetings, to discuss HA's future, and what should be done about it.
Many lebanese supported the disarmament.
But, sadly, very very sadly, some power-thirsty leaders, also one among christians, got political collaboration with HA.
This slowed down the meetings a great deal.
And I repeat, the leader who signed an agreement with HA, is just dying to get an important political seat in lebanon. No other explanation. He disappointed many many lebanese, with his eagerness..
I stress on that, because I know there will be lebanese that will disagree with me, but I'm ready to discuss this point.
So you see, dear ejh, lebanon was really trying to address HA's question, but it was going to take more time, due to some people's personal interests, but also, due to the iranian and syrian support for HA !!
Don't forget, if you go after HA, you go after syria and iran. not an easy task.
I hope I was clear enough,
Jean
--
Kim Howells would do well to urge the British Government to deal with the insurgents in Iraq - he clearly has a nose for finding bandits which military men lack.
Politicians and Journalists are masters of inane and irrelevant commentary. The simple fact is that a constiuent part of the Lebanese Govt is proxy force for Iran which seeks to turn Lebanon into an Islamic Republic and rain rockets on Israel until Iran becomes the dominant power in the Middle East.
The New Persian Empire wants a Mediterranean Coast........and then to site its rockets within reach of Europe..............then we can fight a nuclear war in the Middle East and that will not take long.
The stakes for Lebanon and Israel are far higher than a few hundred dead civilians...........the future could be much much worse than the present if Hezbollah and Iran are not defeated.
@ Jean,
I agree with what you say but I think you are contradicting yourself while trying to explain the situation. I believe that Lebanon needed more time and Hezbollah had to disarm itself and it would eventually happen in coming years through having a stronger government. If Hezbollah would really care, they had to disarm themselves and become more active in political direction to manage the south Lebanon.
Anyways, that was my point of view but when I say you are contradicting while you explain the situation is due to 3 main points which I list them here:
First you say:
- we must not forget that it's not long ago that more than 1.5 million Lebanese took it to the streets to protest the Syrian presence in Lebanon …… now we have won the withdrawal of the Syrian army.
Then you explained:
- very very sadly, some power-thirsty leaders, also one among christians, got political collaboration with HA
And I recall from your other posts that you said:
- HA has 75% or more support of Shiia (which are about the 40% of Lebanon)
And suddenly you conclude by saying:
-if you go after HA, you go after syria and iran. not an easy task.
It seems the easiest thing is just to blame some one else. If going after HA is going after Syria and it is a difficult task then how did you manage to send them out? It seems you already have past that difficulty! But it is good to use it as an excuse.
Also based on what you explained so far, HA has support among people which seems to be more than 35% ~ 40% of Lebanese, and I am talking about the fact that they have support not why they have this support. But simply people are supporting them (except you don’t accept them as people).
Second thing is that they even have supporters at higher levels which are politicians! Who are these politicians and leaders who support HA? They are not single individuals, are they? I am sure they represent some people too!
It is so naive to say HA is in south Lebanon just because Iran has supported it! We all know HA has been supported by Iran and we all know that Israel has been supported by US. Does that justify anything? Why don’t you ask the question why Israel would need nuclear warheads and $4 billion help from US each year when its neighbouring countries don’t even have a proper army? And don’t point your finger at Iran because this US support always has been there for Israel even when Iran was a friend to them.
They say HA has 1300 rockets and so far it has fired so many of 1000 or more! I don’t think even the whole 1300 rockets would have the effect of half a day of Israel raid on Lebanon. The whole world is pointing the finger at Israel asking why it is not going after HA but Lebanese people!
---
@ voyager
I should thank you for your comment cuz made me laugh for few mins. Where have you been in recent centuries? Have you been sleeping in any cave mate? What Persian Empire? Yes there has been three Persian Empire through the history but it is called Iran these days. And people have the empire within their hearts, they don’t need to paint it on a map.
I guess you are really out of date! Iran does not need Lebanon to rain rocket on Israel. Have not you heard about the new missiles which were tested last summer that can reach beyond Israel?
However, you said one true thing; which Israel wants to be the only power of the region so it can do any terror it wants. But guess what? Iran will always be there to give it some company.
Hey men, check out this sweet site I found, I wasn't sure if it was real at first, but it is! I tried it out and these best penis device awesome!!!
Check out the special discounts they have too, I got a real good deal.
Later!
More info on the site: penis extender method
P.S. Sorry for posting in "this" category. Please move my topic to an appropriate forum.
Post a Comment
<< Home