Meditation material on Lebanon
what do you think of the lebanese saying:
Syria and Iran will fight Israel untill the last Lebanese ...
Syria and Iran will fight Israel untill the last Lebanese ...
posted by Jean at 7:30 PM
Veritas Vos Liberabit, Veritas Lux Mea..
posted by Jean at 7:30 PM
4 Comments:
I think it's very true and very sad. I think it's mostly Iran too, though I could be wrong. I think Iran is the one with the pretenses of being a regional superpower. It also promotes it's extreme religious agenda, and free Lebanon with it's democratic and relatively Western ways probably infuriates the Iayatullas (sp?)anyway.
You guys did a great thing for your country when you kicked out the Syrians. I think you should maybe utilize the current crisis to try and kick out the Iranian control over south Lebanon. I understand that your military is too weak, so maybe it's time for the Lebanese government to openly cooperate with Israel and help us take down the Hezbulla, for both our countries.
To Israelimom (which I don’t believe you really are)
I don't really have the time to go in details, but this crisis has no benefit for Iran and I believe Iran had no hand in this conflict. No wonder one the first people who asked for a cease fire was Iranian foreign minister.
I have been living in UK for past 8 years and I am not a pro-Iranian-government. But for the fact I know Iran is not promoting any agenda and it is not playing any superpower. I guess Iranian would be proud of it if their government was playing or pretending such a thing.
I feel sorry for Lebanese people and whoever gets hurt in this world. But does anyone blame US for its $4.5 billion help to Israel every year (and weapons)? People are not happy in Iran for the help that government have sent to Hezbollah over years but the truth is most of money is what has been used to serve people in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah is state within a state but where do you think they got the money to run such a state? Iranian people are sad and upset with the stupid action which Hezbollah has taken. The same way west is upset with inappropriate reaction of Israel, but both sides are quite and letting the conflict go on which is the saddest part.
Iran is a land of art and literature. There are so many artist and poets in our history and in today society. People in Iran don’t want war and don’t like to support any war. Iran lost 1.5 million of its youngsters when Saddam invaded and forced Iran into an unwanted war. This is probably half or 1/3 of the population of your country and it only happened in 8 years. How many people have you lost in last 25 years? In past 400 years, Iran has not attacked or invaded any country. And I don’t think we ever will.
You are a mom? And only talk of war. You act as it is the only solution. How could you be a mom? I have mother? I have seen so many of mothers but I have not heard any one of them promoting any war. How could a mother promote a war when she knows all could happen is the beloved ones to get killed? Does not matters who! Who are we to judge human lives this simply? I tell you, I dislike Hezbollah as I dislike Israel as I dislike my government and US and west. Neither of them seems to give a rate ass for human lives. And we people, we as normal people of this world, we do same with our words! At least we have the chance to support peace and show we are different to the leaders which may not care even for us when it comes to choose between their power and our lives.
@jonjo,
Thank you for intervening in my blog.
I gather you are iranian, so I am happy the iranians are represented through your posts.
I must also thank you for not being extremist in your posts. It is the only way to have a constructive dialog.
I must say that I tend to disagree with many points you noted in your post, but as long as we can have a civilized conversation, I will always defend your right to say what you think and what you believe in.
Welcome.
P.S: I won't go for now into details about the points with which I disagree, I'll just collect the reactions to the saying.
Jean
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I think that the aphorism "Syria and Iran will fight to the last Lebanese" is sadly true. Iran does not have the military reach to attack Israel on its own, and Syria is close but with a military incapable of defending the state. Both are too weak to fight Israel on their own, so they contract Hezbollah (and Hamas) to do it.
The Hezbollah and Hamas resistance are fraudulent movements. They resist only to destroy Israel, not to create a Palestinian state, and I see them bith as linked through common Syrian and Iranian sponsorship. The evacuation of Gaza was an opportunity for the Palestinians to show the world that the Israelis are wrong and that Palestinians are violent only as a means of self-defense. Hamas could have shown that it was a legitimate 2nd-party needed to weed out corruption in the Palestinian Authority. Instead, rather than take what they had won and use it to show their economic and cultural ability, Hamas decided to use Gaza as a military base to continue to attack Israel within its own borders. The attack in June 2006 just invited an Israeli reoccupation and was a strategically short-sighted thing to do.
Then Hezbollah enters the fray. Again, Israel occupied no Lebanese territory (Shebaa Farms is of disputable ownership, but also not worth going to war over). Yet instead of using its power to build a strong Lebanon, Hezbollah ignored its responsibilities as members of the Lebanese government and attacked Israel without even consulting the other Lebanese groups. This was an incredibly selfish thing for Hezbollah to do, and has brought ruin upon Lebanon as a whole.
Why would Hamas and Hezbollah do this? Why would they ignore the best interests of their respective countries to attack Israel? Is it pride, the "dignity" that some in the Mideast pursue to such self-destructive ends? I can believe that this is a part of it, but it still doesn't make sense. Hezbollah and Hamas won their dignity by forcing Israel to leave southern Lebanon and Gaza. They did not need to pursue Israel further - they had won what they wanted.
The only other conclusions I can come to are mindless fanaticism and foreign pressure. I do not believe that the right conclusion is fanaticism. Despite their conservative interpretations of Islam, I do not believe that the leadership of Hamas and Hezbollah are so fanatical as to be mindless. They are pragmatic political players attempting to retain positions of political power after they have achieved their stated goals, and one way to retain that power is maintain the war even after it is over, so that the people are forced into line. Another way to is make sure to keep foreign money and weapons flowing in.
And there is the crux of the issue. Hamas and Hezbollah are, in the end, reliant on Syria and Iran to maintain relevance. Without the money and weapons of their foreign backers, Hamas would long ago have been overwhelmed by Palestinian Authority security forces and Hezbollah by the Lebanese Army. They need Syrian and Iranian sponsorship to survive as independent and important political groups. This means that, from time to time, they must do the bidding of their sponsors in order to earn their support. In this case, that meant using the same tactic (kidnapping Israeli soldiers) within just a few short weeks of each other, in order to provoke a crisis.
How coincidental that these attacks upon Israel would occur within weeks and days of Iran being referred to the UN Security Council for its nuclear program! It would seem that the patron of Hamas and Hezbollah found a ripe time to call in its debts. The leadership of Hamas and Hezbollah, being intelligent people, decided that the best course of action would be to accede to the wishes of their Iranian sponsors and hunker down to wait out the Israeli counterattacks. That way, it will be only the common people of Palestine and Lebanon who die - the political elite will be safely hidden in bunkers until the fighting is over.
The leadership of Hamas and Hezbollah have sold out the people they claim to represent. If Hamas had been acting in the best interests of all Palestinians, instead of its leadership's political power, they would have a Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip right now and would be negotiating with Israel over the West Bank. Hezbollah would have disarmed its militia and be using its influence to help the Lebanese government assert control over the entire country. This has not happened, because both organizations have sold out their people to foreign powers. Syria and Iran will fight to the last Lebanese... and the last Palestinian.
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